We ask Trump and Democrat leaders to promote civility and condemn violence.
Previously I issued the challenge, “If you have acts of violence and inciting to violence perpetrated by Republicans and Trump supporters I invite you to present them for our condemnation. We will condemn.” So far no one has actually produced proof that Trump has incited people to violence.
Some people have put forth things they claim Trump said to incite violence. In investigating these claims, I don’t think they qualify.
One meme has a vicious-looking Donald Trump in the act of screaming and the blurbs around it say,
- A) “Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees.”
- B) “I’d like to punch him in the face.”
- C) “Maybe he should have been roughed up.”
- D) “If you do (hurt him) I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it.”
- E) “The audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of.”
- F) “I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.”
- G) “I’ll beat the crap out of you.”
- H) “Part of the problem is no one wants to hurt each other any more.” PLEASE read this one in context! This one is a prime example of the Left deliberately creating fake news—putting a slant on something that simply isn’t so.
In the reports below I will reference the line pertaining to which blurb the quotes came from in the meme.
Some evidences of the statements above could be construed as President Trump encouraging violence. Please read them in context below and where video-linked, watch Trump saying them. Contrast Trump saying it with Maxine Waters’ tirade urging Dems to “get in their face”. IF these of Trump are incitements to violence, I condemn them in no uncertain terms and I ask that others on the Republican Right condemn them. We ask President Trump to apologize for remarks which could be interpreted as inciting violence. But read them and you determine if they warrant an apology. We will leave it to the reader to decide.
Trump’s reported remarks include;
- February 2016, during his campaign for president, Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, “Security has told me that some in the crowd have tomatoes they may throw at me. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell … I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise.” This corresponds to items A) and D) in the meme. The Democrats report this as inciting violence. The Republicans defend it as asking supporters to defend their candidate from violent acts by the Left radical protestors. IF the protestors act to commit violence against a Presidential candidate, that, folks, is a felony. So if a rally attendee did see someone starting to throw something at their candidate, they would be justified in preventing that act of violence in any way they could. “But it’s only a tomato.” Well, it could have a rock inside it. Or it may just look like a tomato but is something more harmful. A porcelain tomato?
- November 2015. At a rally in Alabama, Trump said about a protester, “Get him the hell out of here, will you, please? Get him out of here. Throw him out!” The following day Trump responded to a question about allegations that the protester had been “roughed up.” The protester, Trump said, had been “so obnoxious and so loud … maybe he should have been roughed up. Maybe he should have been roughed up. Because it was totally disgusting what he was doing.” This corresponds to item C) in the meme. Note he was not roughed up, but in typical Trump fashion, Trump retorted, “Maybe he should have been roughed up.”
- March 2016. At an event in Palm Beach, Fla., Trump referred to a past incident with protesters. “We have had a couple that were really violent, and the particular one when I said I’d like to bang him, that was a very — he was a guy who was swinging, very loud and then started swinging at the audience and the audience swung back, and I thought it was very, very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people, and the audience hit back, and that’s what we need a little bit more of.” This explains why Trump appeals to some; because we aren’t going to be bullied by a thug. We aren’t going to cower with our tails between our legs, like a timid puppy. This corresponds to item E) in the meme.
- March 2016. At a rally in Kansas City, talking about someone who had rushed the stage, Trump said, “I don’t know if I would have done well, but I would have been out there fighting, folks. I don’t know if I’d have done well, but I would’ve been — boom, boom, boom. I’ll beat the crap out of you.” This corresponds to items F) and G) in the meme. Trump talking at that time about a violent man who had just rushed the stage. https://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#yraprKMsTiq0
- “Honestly, here’s a guy throwing punches, nasty as hell screaming at everything else when we’re talking and he’s walking out and we’re not allowed to, you know, the guards are very gentle with him and he’s walking out like big high-fives, smiling, waving his arms, laughing, I’d like to punch him in the face. I’ll tell ya.” This corresponds to item B) in the meme. Again, one reason his followers like Trump is that he will fight back against violent attacks. https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/donald-trump-nevada-rally-punch/index.html
- Other accusations have been put forth against Trump, such as Trump saying “the problem is no one wants to hurt each other anymore.” Implying that he wanted to hurt someone. This corresponds to item H) in the meme. I researched to the bottom of it and found the following, which I transcripted from the video; During a St. Louis, MO rally, several protestors periodically stood with a sign and started yelling. Security quickly moved in and removed them. But there was one after another. Long pauses while they removed people, peacefully. Finally Trump had had enough. He said, as another who was screaming obscenities, was removed, “Get out of here. Get ‘em out! Troublemaker. Get ‘em out of here. We’re tired of the garbage. Get ‘em out of here. Get ‘em out. [as additional protestors stood and shouted, trying to overwhelm security with sheer numbers] Terrible. Terrible. Go home and get a job. Go home. Get a job. Get a job! Nobody’s being hurt, press, nobody’s being hurt. [to the press corps so the press didn’t incorrectly report it] Very rude. These are not the people that made our country great. But we’re going to make it great again, but these are not the people. These are the people that are destroying our country. [then speaking about another protestor who arose and started shouting obscenities] Just a single. He’s a single. Yeah, get em out. Get em out. Honestly! Can I be honest with you? It adds to the flavor. It really does. Makes it more exciting. I mean, isn’t this better than listening to a long boring speech? [waiting for security to remove protestor after protestor] Part of the problem, and part of the reason it takes so long to get protestors out of here is that nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right? And they’re being politically correct the way they take them out so it takes them a little bit longer and honestly, protestors realize it. They realize that there are no consequences for protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore. Thank you. Boy that was quick. He got out pretty quick. Big mouth.” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1273381/Nobody-wants-hurt-anymore-Trump-protesters.html
- When a Trump rally was cancelled in Chicago, based on Chicago police saying they couldn’t guarantee safety of attendees, the radical left celebrated by some dancing in the streets. “I don’t have regrets,” Trump said. [about cancelling the rally] “These were very, very bad protesters. These were bad dudes. They were rough, tough guys.” Trump didn’t want anyone hurt. https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-chicago-protests/index.html
Regarding the above allegations of Trump inciting violence, Lee Rowland, a senior staff attorney with the free-speech group ACLU wrote concerning a lawsuit stemming from a Trump rally in Louisville. Rowland said, “Incitement charges have been used to jail anti-war protesters, labor picketers, Communists, and civil rights activists. Over time, the Supreme Court learned from these mistakes and adopted a very speech-protective test to determine when incitement has taken place … It’s a high bar for a reason, and Trump’s conduct at the rally didn’t meet it.”
Donald Trump: “I certainly don’t incite violence and … I don’t condone violence”.
I’ll leave it to the reader to determine if the above are warranted accusations against Trump for “inciting violence”. If you think they are, please call the White House and demand an apology. I, Jonesy, don’t believe he is inciting violence with the above statements.
So far no one has come forth and presented documented evidence of a conservative Republican on the Right committing violence as a direct result of being incited to violence by Republican leaders. In contrast just in October there were more than 48 such incidents of violence or inciting violence against Republicans by Democrat leaders. https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/ Many in the media condone and encourage these acts of violence. Some Republicans, including women, have been run out of restaurants and other places by Democrat Left radicals as a result of Democrat leaders deliberately inciting violence with their rhetoric, “get in their faces”. We leave it to the reader to determine if such statements are actually inciting violence, in contrast to Trump’s statements.
Statements such as;
- Democrat leader Representative Maxine Waters saying, “If you think we’re rallying now, you ain’t seen nothing yet. You have members of your cabinet being booed out of restaurants. You have protesters taking up at their house. We say no peace, no sleep. No peace, no sleep. And guess what? We’re going to win this battle. If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out, and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.” https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/24/maxine-waters-confront-trump-officials.html
- Democrat leader Former First Lady, Former Senator, Former Presidential Candidate, and Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying, “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. That’s why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again.” https://www.rt.com/usa/440816-hillary-clinton-civility-democrats/
- Democrat Senator Cory Booker saying “Get up in the face” of opponents. Kelly Paul, the wife of Senator Rand Paul, on Wednesday charged New Jersey Senator Cory Booker for inciting violence against her and her family after an attack by liberal protestors in an airport. Paul said Booker’s vitriolic rhetoric is responsible for acts of aggression and violence against Republican senators. Booker in July suggested upset Americans should “Get up in the face” of their opponents. http://shorenewsnetwork.com/news/politics/cory-booker-charged-for-inciting-violence-against-fellow-senators/
- Democrat and former Attorney General Eric Holder saying “When they go low, we kick ‘em. This is what this new Democratic Party is about.” He clarified it the next day by saying, “When I say we kick them, I don’t mean we do anything inappropriate, we don’t do anything illegal.” We applaud him for that clarification. Now, Holder, please tell that message loud and clear to Democrats. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/11/eric_holder_when_they_go_low_we_kick_them.html
The above authored and compiled by Maury Jones, AKA Jonesy, Jonesy@Reagan.com